And at one point he has to pull a wealthy donor, who promises a huge donation, up to the front of the line past the homeless…
Totally. So is it a tradeoff? Do you sell your soul so that you could make a lot of people’s lives better? That’s real. That’s happening all around us, every single day. And to me there’s this great modern drama between the two truths between Joe and Dean that neither character can come to terms with each other.

You and Chris met studying at the Stella Adler theatre in Los Angeles. Was Stella still teaching then? What was that like?
Yeah, she was still teaching. The thing you’ve got to know about Stella Adler, is even though she was 92 when we were studying, she was the biggest flirt and would hit on all the boys (laughs). Seriously the thing about her was, more than anybody she really believed that as an actor you were a great artist, and you had a huge responsibility to make your self better and to lift the ideas of the playwright. She used to quote George Bernard Shaw quite often. She said, “You should have to pay to go to church and make the theater free, darling.” She really saw storytelling as one of the great teaching tools. And people don’t talk about acting like that anymore, which is a shame. But it’s something that as a 22-year-old, it really turned me on, turned a lot of us on. We were really young when we first started in that class and I had never heard anybody with the wealth of experience and knowledge that she had about acting, and what it meant and the importance of it. None of that was even in my head. I left that class wanting to read Chekhov and that was a big change at that age.